WACUP
General => General Discussion => Archive => Topic started by: dro on September 19, 2018, 04:21:11 PM
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As the title of the thread says, I need some input on which skin should be the default on new WACUP installs as we'll soon have 4 possible skins to choose from when making a WACUP install. I really don't know which one should be the default as there's numerous arguments depending on how we want to aim WACUP going forward or just what people's expectations are in terms of usability vs performance & resources (i.e. classic is much lligher-weight compared to a feature complete modern skin & whether a few seconds to load the skin is acceptable or not)
The skins we'll have are:- 2.x base skin (with WACUP tweaks)
- Big Bento Modern (BBM) (https://getwacup.com/community/index.php/topic,327.0.html)
- Big Bento / Bento (Winamp default from 5.5 to 5.666)
- Winamp Modern (Winamp default from 5.0 to 5.35)
There are also some other possibilities to be considered...
The first is on a clean WACUP install (which would also cover updating an existing 5.666 install) we essentially force a skin to be selected as per the attached first_run_skin_selection_mock.png image (the layout & wording is just an initial spin on the idea so don't be too harsh :) )
(https://getwacup.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=382.0;attach=635)
The second is we go with a default skin and instead have a 'pimp my skin' section on the installer skin selection page as per the attached pimp_the_skin_mock.png image which would possibly cycle through the screenshots of some of the other skins present so you can see what the others may look like.
(https://getwacup.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=382.0;attach=637)
Maybe both options make sense to implement or just the one (possibly the first option seems to be a better fit from the discord conversation that led to this thread & some comments in the BBM thread).
So over to you as I would probably go with classic & the forced skin selection on first run but my view on this will not be the final decision & it's what the majority vote or even what is a better suggestion that comes out from this that will end up being implemented :) I'd also appreciate knowing why you think whichever option is the way to go or not as that definitely helped with the update system thread to make the feature work well.
-dro
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I do think that the default WACUP skin should be the Classic Skin (Winamp 2.x base skin with WACUP tweaks).
Winamp Classic skin is the best option. In my opinion if you ask user about Winamp he think Winamp with Classic Skin (for sure old users).
The skin is very simple, uses low system resources and just do everything user want to do - play music.
Yes, the skin is not designed for high resolution monitors and big screens. But, if you set double size it is OK (I use rather big resolution and screen: 2560x1440, 27").
Now, WACUP installer should give possibility to choose the skin user want to use as default (like it is done now).
Such installer dialog should list all installed skins and by default Classic skin (clean install) or currently used skin (update) should be selected.
It is good idea to show few skins (Classic Skin, Bento/Big Bento, Winamp Modern, and excellent Big Bento Modern) with image and short description - user can decide what he want.
-Pawel
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4k monitors are all around these days, and only 1 of these skins plays nice with that resolution.
It even has the most features, so there is only one possibility in my opinion: Big Bento Modern
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I love the new version that you came up with.
That is perfect. Shows all the skins and a short description.
Default vote: Big Bento Modern
Alternate vote: Nothing is selected by default and you cannot finish until you select a skin.
I like the order of the skins also. We can massage the texf a bit, but I will not be too harsh... YET!
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Same opinion as Parshift : BBM!
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Well, this whole discussion is more subjective than anything (well, as far as "how it looks"). Personally, I invariably always go back to Bento. If I had a 4K monitor, then perhaps it would be Big Bento Modern. Problem with the modern skins is that if the user does not install modern skin support then it would have to revert to the Classic skin by default.
Perhaps the installer could check the monitor resolution and if it's high like 4K then default to Big Bento Modern; otherwise, Bento?
In the end, I don't really care because I'm going to use the skin I want to use anyway LOL.
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Classic skin could be the default (as always), but… I guess is better to let the user choose which one wants to use, so maybe the installer should request always (in clean installs) that the user choose a skin in order to continue with the installation.
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This morning something made up my mind for good.. IMHO Big Bento is the way to go. "good ol' Winamp (with improvements)" is the right approach for WACUP.
Classic skin is "good old Winamp", Big Bento Modern is "Winamp with lots of improvements" (too much for those unaware of WACUP entirely). That leaves us with Big Bento as a middle ground.
Proposed dialogs seem fine to me. What Mark proposed is a good idea too, pre-select one skin according to screen size, but maybe that's too much for what was proposed originally?
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This morning something made up my mind for good.. IMHO Big Bento is the way to go. "good ol' Winamp (with improvements)" is the right approach for WACUP.
Classic skin is "good old Winamp", Big Bento Modern is "Winamp with lots of improvements" (too much for those unaware of WACUP entirely). That leaves us with Big Bento as a middle ground.
Proposed dialogs seem fine to me. What Mark proposed is a good idea too, pre-select one skin according to screen size, but maybe that's too much for what was proposed originally?
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Come on, Victhor.
Your creation is the embodiment of WACUP. Like you said, Big Bento Modern is "Winamp with lots of improvements" (too much for those unaware of WACUP entirely). Well, WACUP is "Winamp with lots of improvements" (too much for those unaware of winamp entirely)
They go hand in hand. But I respect your decision on this.
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Big Bento Modern will be a good choice, it works good on 4K and FHD (1920X1080) monitors.
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I always use classic. It's because I don't need any fancy things, just that "time remaining" for songs and control buttons and name of the song.
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I always use classic. It's because I don't need any fancy things, just that "time remaining" for songs and control buttons and name of the song.
Although the outcome can be quite subjective, as Mark said, ideally, the answer to this should be more driven by what would best for the project and not so much personal view or habits. If it's for personal preferences I would suggest my skin all along heh, but it doesn't feel right for the project.
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Although the outcome can be quite subjective, as Mark said, ideally, the answer to this should be more driven by what would best for the project and not so much personal view or habits. If it's for personal preferences I would suggest my skin all along heh, but it doesn't feel right for the project.
Win
Amp (It is still Winamp because you can change skins however you want)
Community (The skin was made and inspired by the community -namely you-)
Update (BBM is an UPDATE of the Bento skin)
Project (It's your project)
Sounds perfect to me.
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Awesome justification ;)
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Big Bento Modern :D
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From my point of view - after several spliffs this evening - I would add after some thoughts on above comments made that WACUP is a specialists software and should have "Load Your Own Skin" feature.
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hi all
Big bento modern windows 10 edition for sure! But I love Cpro Bento too!
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Bento or Big Bento. They are clean and easy to use and navigate imho. Not a fan of cPro skins really
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Thanks for all of you who've commented on this even though it's been a bit confusing when I've taken into account other comments & general views about what people expect from a Winamp based install (more so from the few hundred comments, tweets, etc that I've looked at over the last day).
So based on all of that, the best approach with new installs is going to be not pre-selecting the default install skin (unless installing over the top of an existing install or if modern skin support is not present) & go with the preview selection dialog from the first post (which also appeared in beta build #2826) & do the one-time selection by the user as there honestly doesn't seem to be a single way to appease the majority when it comes to the default skin.
The reasoning for this is that although most of the comments from our group is for the Big Bento Modern (BBM) skin (or keeping with the Bento/Big Bento modern skins in general), the wider view point about Winamp is the 2.x classic skin & about the experience being fast to load & lightweight on resources & even with modern hardware, a modern skin is still typically taking a few seconds to full load.
With the preview selection dialog the current ordering of the skins seems to make the most sense as it puts classic & BBM as the preferred classic & modern skin options by default whilst still providing Bento & Winamp Modern as there's still a lot of love for those skins out there. As based on the feedback, BBM seems to be the preferred modern skin but you have an easy way to not go with it so everyone wins :)
Finally, requiring user input maybe isn't ideal in some eyes but the preview dialog we've come up with covers the commonly expected options as well as educating the user on how to change the skin which is something that was sadly missing from the Winamp provided option & has possibly caused confusion over the years.
Hope that all makes sense & why the decision has been made & I've attached the final version of the preview selection dialog for convenience :)
-dro