1996
Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: A Replacement for Gracenotes
« on: December 06, 2016, 03:19:53 PM »
It should remove the need for it with playback and ripping, just not with the existing burning support.
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1997
Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: A Replacement for Gracenotes
« on: December 06, 2016, 04:22:55 AM »
I'll cover it a bit more in the blog post that I need to finish off but from my Sunday night "fun time" I've managed to get the basis of a replacement CD playback plug-in working as I was able to find a copy of the example code that I'd used to test out using the Windows DAE (Digital Audio Extraction) support before refining it for the company that shall not be named.
The end result is a very basic replacement plug-in that does just enough to play a CD for me without the need for the Sonic engine. The native CD playback plug-in also doesn't work for me unless Sonic is present which I assume is due to something about Windows 10 &/or how the native plug-in does fallback to other methods (which unless DAE fails for a number of people, I don't plan on trying to re-create).
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The end result is a very basic replacement plug-in that does just enough to play a CD for me without the need for the Sonic engine. The native CD playback plug-in also doesn't work for me unless Sonic is present which I assume is due to something about Windows 10 &/or how the native plug-in does fallback to other methods (which unless DAE fails for a number of people, I don't plan on trying to re-create).
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1998
Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: A Replacement for Gracenotes
« on: December 03, 2016, 05:38:49 PM »
Time will tell if the random BSODs go away with these hardware changes or not (as it can range from twice in a day to 3-4 days until it happens).
As for CD support, I've got my notes still somewhere for what I'd used in the version that I'd worked on post-sale. It worked ok for what I could test against with playback and ripping of CDs including supporting reading CD-Text without Sonic being enabled & I don't think it was speed limited (as it then depends on the OS more than the control that Sonic + pro licensing implied).
Though for certain things (mainly writing to CDs) then Sonic is still needed or is just easier / better to use a dedicated burner instead. But I'd assume (bad thing to do, heh) that playback / ripping were the more commonly used options compared to burning of CDs (especially as it couldn't do MP3 CDs).
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As for CD support, I've got my notes still somewhere for what I'd used in the version that I'd worked on post-sale. It worked ok for what I could test against with playback and ripping of CDs including supporting reading CD-Text without Sonic being enabled & I don't think it was speed limited (as it then depends on the OS more than the control that Sonic + pro licensing implied).
Though for certain things (mainly writing to CDs) then Sonic is still needed or is just easier / better to use a dedicated burner instead. But I'd assume (bad thing to do, heh) that playback / ripping were the more commonly used options compared to burning of CDs (especially as it couldn't do MP3 CDs).
-dro
1999
Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: A Replacement for Gracenotes
« on: December 03, 2016, 05:07:57 PM »... as currently I don't have a CD/DVD drive connected to my development machine.Either it was a bad cable (possible) or the machine is just being nice to me (it's probably fed up of me cursing it) but I've finally got a working DVD drive in the machine again. This makes it easier for me now if I decide to do something about this broken support.
...
Unless I can work out why the 7th & 8th SATA ports on the motherboard won't work with the SATA DVD I've got (as the other 6 SATA ports have SSDs & HDDs connected to them which I need)
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[can ignore this as it's more for my record]
So somewhere between changing most of the SATA cables (I need to get a few more now) to ones that have locking connectors on them (one of the old cables I had was a bit loose on trying to diagnose the BSOD issues I've been having of late), replacing the last HDD I've got (needed to anyway as it's almost full) & moving most of the SSDs into a drive bay cage that fits into a 5.25" bay (makes it easier to access / move things around for me now) & resetting a number of options in the BIOS, the secondary drive controller finally recognised the DVD drive.
2000
Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: A Replacement for Gracenotes
« on: December 01, 2016, 04:57:22 AM »Like I said, it is definitely something to look at in the future.That seemed to be one of the reasons why people liked it (and others despised it due to it bastardising their player).
Sure there are better CD rippers out there and there are better metadata taggers out there. Having it all in one place makes it nifty.
With what you mentioned with the consistent metadata handling implementation for all the plugins... this sounds like its a bigger task than it seems.It probably is but I won't know until I do the proper research on what to use. As rolling my own tag libraries isn't worth the hassle but working with existing matured solutions is what I'd prefer to do (quicker & as long as I pick the right ones then should make it easier to maintain / tweak if needed and be stable).
I use CDex a lot and it uses freedb.org for album lookups when ripping. Another option.I vaguely remember looking into that but there was something about it that put me off for some reason. But yes it's another option if I were to do anything
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2001
Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: A Replacement for Gracenotes
« on: November 30, 2016, 12:39:06 AM »BUT if you enabled the autotag button to do musicbrainz lookups, that would be a startFor that we basically need a consistent metadata handling implementation which allows for reading / writing musicbrainz ids (that's not the current case with the native input plug-ins). It'd also (for what I've thought about it so far) need work done on the local library handling so it can cope with musicbrainz ids and anything else that might be needed. So for that I've got some ideas already as it always seemed like something that more would benefit from.
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2002
Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: A Replacement for Gracenotes
« on: November 29, 2016, 09:26:20 PM »I have been typing in tracks for 3 years now and make my ripping much slower now. Any progress for a replacement for Gracenotes in the near future?I'm somewhat torn when it comes to this as currently I don't have a CD/DVD drive connected to my development machine. That happened when I moved to Win10 & came down to whether I disconnect it or keep my prior Win7 SSD connected (which I went with). Unless I can work out why the 7th & 8th SATA ports on the motherboard won't work with the SATA DVD I've got (as the other 6 SATA ports have SSDs & HDDs connected to them which I need). I guess I could just swap out the Win7 / DVD drive as needed but that's a hassle due to the nature of the 2008 era PC case I'm using
However I've been aware ever since the Gracenote access ended in May 2014 that there is still some demand for a working CD info look-up option within Winamp when it's used to rip though I don't know now whether there's enough demand for such support to be re-implemented. As anything I can do wouldn't be able to use Gracenote (they only want to deal with those who can pay to use them it seems and as donations since starting WACUP have maybe just covered site hosting costs, Gracenote is a no go option).
I had looked at using Musicbrainz before being taken off Winamp whilst with the company that shall not be named but I cannot find my notes on that at the moment as to whether it could still be a good option. As I'm not sure if
Anyway, the tl;dr answer is if there's enough demand (& incentives) then I can be open to looking into working on a replacement to re-enable the support within WACUP based installs. As I'd also have to look into replacing the existing in_cdda.dll plug-in so that CD-Text could be accessed along with removing one of the main reasons for having the old Sonic engine installed.
Hi, have you tried www.mp3tag.de/ ? I'm using it since Gracenote stopped working in Winamp.I know mp3tag can do certain lookups but I thought it can only work on files that have already been created and not at the pre-created stage. Without a connected CD / DVD drive it's likely I'm missing something (not that I found it much of a hassle to edit the tags in Winamp at the time as I generally found the Gracenote information to not be 100% correct vs the CD's info cards).
-dro
2003
Archive / Re: Happy Thanksgiving!
« on: November 26, 2016, 02:44:58 AM »
Any reason for a party
Tbh it's all a bit too 'modern' for my liking as I much prefer the history of the 1500's (i.e. up to the end of the reign of Elizabeth I in 1603) and earlier though I can appreciate the more modern aspects. But then the history I've been made aware off isn't always seen / remembered in the same manner depending on the country it relates to.
As 'English Separatists' isn't the phrase that I was every taught and to me it was a mix of people of different backgrounds & reasons to want to make a new life (not taking into account migrants from other European countries at the times) as well as a proportion of those who where being persecuted on religious grounds (as things had been mess for around 80 years by the 1620's due to flip-flopping between being Protestant & Catholic depending on which King & Queen was on the throne).
For me growing up, it was primarily Romans, Normans (1066), Tudors & Stuarts (1485 to early 1700s) & the World Wars that were taught during history lessons (and things relating to the local area I grew up in). Anything else I've picked up on has mainly been from learning myself (TV, radio, books & going to places). Whereas I'm sure that US education probably wouldn't cover any of that other than what overlaps from the birth of the country which overlaps with the Stuarts for us.
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Tbh it's all a bit too 'modern' for my liking as I much prefer the history of the 1500's (i.e. up to the end of the reign of Elizabeth I in 1603) and earlier though I can appreciate the more modern aspects. But then the history I've been made aware off isn't always seen / remembered in the same manner depending on the country it relates to.
As 'English Separatists' isn't the phrase that I was every taught and to me it was a mix of people of different backgrounds & reasons to want to make a new life (not taking into account migrants from other European countries at the times) as well as a proportion of those who where being persecuted on religious grounds (as things had been mess for around 80 years by the 1620's due to flip-flopping between being Protestant & Catholic depending on which King & Queen was on the throne).
For me growing up, it was primarily Romans, Normans (1066), Tudors & Stuarts (1485 to early 1700s) & the World Wars that were taught during history lessons (and things relating to the local area I grew up in). Anything else I've picked up on has mainly been from learning myself (TV, radio, books & going to places). Whereas I'm sure that US education probably wouldn't cover any of that other than what overlaps from the birth of the country which overlaps with the Stuarts for us.
-dro
2004
Archive / Re: Happy Thanksgiving!
« on: November 24, 2016, 09:48:04 PM »
Not that I've ever been aware off (an equivalent that is) and most of the days we get off in the UK (not that it matters to me being self-employed) tend to have historical reasons going much further back than even the initial european colonisation of the americas either on country specific stuff or from religious based festivals.
Though I'd assume that other countries must have equivalents in terms of being founded / freedom of the country (if I weren't being lazy I'd do a quick search myself ).
I thought Independence Day was more about the colonial separation process (even if we did then go back a bit later and trash the White House which I didn't know about until a year or so ago) rather than Thanksgiving (which I can picture is the camp & play from one of the The Addams Family movies).
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Though I'd assume that other countries must have equivalents in terms of being founded / freedom of the country (if I weren't being lazy I'd do a quick search myself
).I thought Independence Day was more about the colonial separation process (even if we did then go back a bit later and trash the White House which I didn't know about until a year or so ago) rather than Thanksgiving (which I can picture is the camp & play from one of the The Addams Family movies).
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2005
Archive / Re: Happy Thanksgiving!
« on: November 24, 2016, 02:41:52 PM »
Happy turkey day
but we're getting there which is the main thing!).
-dro
and all of you for taking the time to make suggestions and test and make WACUP the best it can be.I fully agree with that comment and am most appreciative of the feedback that I've had so far (even with all of the bug reports
but we're getting there which is the main thing!).-dro
2006
Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: Add 32-bit Float Format Support
« on: November 22, 2016, 04:15:01 AM »
Search results on the other forums expire and are also user-specific so only you'll be able to see results from the search until it expires (which is a piece of information I'd prefer not to have left in my head still, heh).
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2007
Archive / Re: Current Forum Display Issues
« on: November 15, 2016, 06:01:32 PM »
Depending on browser caching (which is why it took a while for me to see the issue ) and all that fun, the correct images on the buttons should now start to begin showing.
I've ended up adopting suggestion #1 from [member=6]QOAL[/member] as the alternative aliases which were being used in the custom copy of the fontawesome css are there to map things from the SMF forum values to the desired FA icon (so it was relevant as the hint helped me to work out why I couldn't find what I was looking for between the aliases and the theme's code ).
And as it's just the CSS that needs to be tweaked I can still leverage the CDN cache for the font files, etc whilst maintaining a locally provided CSS file (which should be CDN backed anyway from using Cloudflare to handle things).
-dro
) and all that fun, the correct images on the buttons should now start to begin showing.I've ended up adopting suggestion #1 from [member=6]QOAL[/member] as the alternative aliases which were being used in the custom copy of the fontawesome css are there to map things from the SMF forum values to the desired FA icon (so it was relevant as the hint helped me to work out why I couldn't find what I was looking for between the aliases and the theme's code
).And as it's just the CSS that needs to be tweaked I can still leverage the CDN cache for the font files, etc whilst maintaining a locally provided CSS file (which should be CDN backed anyway from using Cloudflare to handle things).
-dro
2008
Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: Add 32-bit Float Format Support
« on: November 15, 2016, 04:07:55 AM »
Hi, I've not done anything towards replacement input plug-ins with WACUP other than a re-worked line-in plug-in to provide something better than the native plug-in (as covered within the changelogs for the initial beta builds provided so far).
So playback and what can / cannot be done currently should be no different from what the v5.666 release was able to do. Never having mentioned anything about such things in the changelogs / site information, I'm hoping I've not given the false impression that such a thing was within the scope of WACUP.
As even adding it natively within Winamp itself (which I cannot do) brings with it more compatibility issues (especially if going for floating point handling) than the addition of 24-bit integer support brought in combination with the existing plug-ins that exist out there that people use (as getting a pure 24-bit integer playback chain from input to dsp to output is hard enough as it currently stands).
All of that means end-to-end 32-bit floating point playback support to my knowledge is just not possible to be added in as part of WACUP with how Winamp works (which assumes either 16-bit (by default) or 24-bit integer input formats.
The best that could be done is to just have the respective input plug-ins being used (whether directly by the input plug-in itself or indirectly by a resampler sitting in front of the input plug-in due to not having native support to do the) converting down to 24-bit fixed at most (if that option is enabled) and then hoping that the output plug-in as well as any dsp plug-ins being used (if that's the case) also support 24-bit audio data (which for almost every DSP plug-in created is not the case).
I'll move this thread into the wishlist section but realistically unless I ended up creating an end-to-end replacement of the playback core, WACUP at most is just going to see work done to re-sample the audio from input plug-ins into either of the supported formats that Winamp's playback core supports depending on how it's been configured by the user.
I do appreciate that there are audio formats that can support the higher bit count / type formats (primarily if that's how it's created from the start) but for the likes of MP3, video game music and other common formats (or just what people have got already in their libraries), there's little, if any benefit to such support when the audio data itself is only 16-bit or even lower (e.g. 8-bit as can be the case with video game music which is an area I'm personally interested by). Plus the less work that is done on the audio from input to output the better imho even if that means the output plug-in / Windows doing just a one-off resampling to the required output format whilst keeping the rest of the chain 16-bit (if that all makes sense).
-dro
So playback and what can / cannot be done currently should be no different from what the v5.666 release was able to do. Never having mentioned anything about such things in the changelogs / site information, I'm hoping I've not given the false impression that such a thing was within the scope of WACUP.
As even adding it natively within Winamp itself (which I cannot do) brings with it more compatibility issues (especially if going for floating point handling) than the addition of 24-bit integer support brought in combination with the existing plug-ins that exist out there that people use (as getting a pure 24-bit integer playback chain from input to dsp to output is hard enough as it currently stands).
All of that means end-to-end 32-bit floating point playback support to my knowledge is just not possible to be added in as part of WACUP with how Winamp works (which assumes either 16-bit (by default) or 24-bit integer input formats.
The best that could be done is to just have the respective input plug-ins being used (whether directly by the input plug-in itself or indirectly by a resampler sitting in front of the input plug-in due to not having native support to do the) converting down to 24-bit fixed at most (if that option is enabled) and then hoping that the output plug-in as well as any dsp plug-ins being used (if that's the case) also support 24-bit audio data (which for almost every DSP plug-in created is not the case).
I'll move this thread into the wishlist section but realistically unless I ended up creating an end-to-end replacement of the playback core, WACUP at most is just going to see work done to re-sample the audio from input plug-ins into either of the supported formats that Winamp's playback core supports depending on how it's been configured by the user.
I do appreciate that there are audio formats that can support the higher bit count / type formats (primarily if that's how it's created from the start) but for the likes of MP3, video game music and other common formats (or just what people have got already in their libraries), there's little, if any benefit to such support when the audio data itself is only 16-bit or even lower (e.g. 8-bit as can be the case with video game music which is an area I'm personally interested by). Plus the less work that is done on the audio from input to output the better imho even if that means the output plug-in / Windows doing just a one-off resampling to the required output format whilst keeping the rest of the chain 16-bit (if that all makes sense).
-dro
2009
Archive / Re: Hello.
« on: November 15, 2016, 01:33:29 AM »
For WACUP it's best to install it into a separate folder for the time being as there's still work that needs to be done to ensure that installing over an existing Winamp install will work ok.
-dro
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2010
Archive / Re: Hello.
« on: November 15, 2016, 01:16:57 AM »
I know what you mean
Tbh looking at some of those old plug-ins reminds me of when skin & plug-in reviews were a commonly done thing (I did some of the later plug-in reviews). Plus it's a good way to rediscover things that can and should be re-implemented in some form
-dro
Tbh looking at some of those old plug-ins reminds me of when skin & plug-in reviews were a commonly done thing (I did some of the later plug-in reviews). Plus it's a good way to rediscover things that can and should be re-implemented in some form
-dro