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I've seen them post such job listings before & not fill them. I've also had them lie to my face & try to do me out of money for work done for them so do excuse my scepticism but nothing that has been done for the past few years has changed my view point of them & how they do things. Your view is yours & mine is mine & I thank you for your observation which I agree is bitter but I'd like to think I'm at least doing better by actually providing something.

I'm also more than aware that Winamp as a thing is a dead-end with the brand effectively tarnished / irrelevant, its glory days are long gone & the floppy disk analogy is very fitting. However you have to ask why many still use various versions of Winamp instead of flocking to the wall garden world of streaming services.

Either way, choice is a thing & my choice is to become an ex-Winamp user & no longer be reliant upon Winamp for WACUP to run & to try to provide something that maintains a Winamp-like experience on Windows for those that are actually wanting it & something that's supported & is where needed refined for what is needed nowadays & not what was bearable 20 years back.


Just wanted to add something else, Nullsoft doesn't exist anymore. That as a legal entity died when SHOUTcast & Winamp were sold. It's also fair to say that Nullsoft proper died in 2004 when the last parts of the original dev team left AOL - I never counted myself really working for "Nullsoft" when I was contracted to work on Winamp & SHOUTcast.

Are you looking in the correct folder e.g. %appdata%\wacup (assuming a default WACUP install) ? You can go to preferences -> advanced -> diagnostics & the settings locations tab to get the correct path for your install. If the winamp.m3u definitely isn't in the folder then you might need to first force a playlist change such as by changing the order of a playlist item & then see if it gets saved on closing.

Otherwise it's possible that the program might be assuming a certain folder location or it's doing a different way of determining if it's a Winamp compatible client or not (I've not heard of AdiIRC until now so I don't have any knowledge of what it might or might not be doing).


It's not cool & just proves they've been lying again for however many years it's been & is all they will keep on doing again & again.

If all you want is something that's "official" not that it means anything as there's no lineage with anything that came before then so be it & I'll instead be productive with my time & get back on with WACUP.


Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: Feature Requests
« on: May 04, 2021, 11:08:58 PM »
WACUP's gen_lyrics plug-in only works locally using either lyrics metadata or an appropriate local file for now.

Internet search hasn't been implemented as there's no decent / free / nice way I can do it for now that either doesn't typically break the TOS for the service or involves scraping web pages or costs a stupid amount to get access which is why I've not yet progressed it further.


General Discussion / Re: Milkdrop on system audio?
« on: May 03, 2021, 09:44:17 PM »
It's on my todo list for a milkdrop:// specific mode to capture the current system output along with force setting WACUP to not re-output any audio itself with the built-in null output so it can just render from what's overall being played.

As there's cases where the capture support as-is can't get at the overall system audio either due to a lack of stereo mix or the normal means not being able to get a specific device (especially with usb output). Whereas there's a means with the WASAPI support that seems to be able to work as a generic capture target so what's playing can be gotten irrespective of the rest of the system / drivers / hardware being used.

Also the linein:// / capture:// isn't quite the same compared to Winamp & from something I'd tried out a few weeks ago from this also coming up on the WACUP Discord server is why I can't really rely on that as a catch-all solution (same goes for suggesting things like virtual audio cables as that can be intimidating to some users).


Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: Feature Requests
« on: May 02, 2021, 08:00:10 PM »
Nothing has really been done towards it. I've had a brief look at other options for doing online lookups but the TOS are often limiting if I was to do things correctly or it requires a load of additional processing to get it into something that I can use within a non-web based solution. I will get to implement something but it's not a top priority for the moment whilst I'm trying to drop the need to rely on key parts of Winamp for WACUP to run.


Preview Build Discussion / Re: CrystalControl plugin issue
« on: May 02, 2021, 07:41:59 PM »
Apologies for the delay in replying to this. I've had a bit more of a look & once I've got things back to a usable state, I can then apply some plug-in hooking that should allow me to give it a formatted string in a manner that it's expecting vs what it's trying to capture that doesn't seem to be matching to what it expects.


Preview Build Discussion / Re: Classic (2x) Observation
« on: May 02, 2021, 07:37:10 PM »
I notice that all features are indeed twice the size. However, the text size in the main playlist editor area (where the tracks are listed) is not changed.

I keep debating if that's something I should also be auto doubling or not as I know some get funny about the default size varying.


Preview Build Discussion / Re: Classic (2x) Observation
« on: May 02, 2021, 07:30:58 PM »
CTRL + D or the D in the small clutterbar, next to the small visualizer area of the main window
No EFFING way!!!!! Where in the EF is this stuff documented?!?!?!? When I clik WACUP Help of F1 Scotty beams me to this website. OK, but what if no interenet?????


There's basic aspects listed via the 'shortcuts' tab on the 'about wacup' dialog (normally found when clicking on the lightning bolt in the main window) otherwise it's all typically in the main right-click menus for when looking at a non-skin specific way of finding options.

As for it coming to the forum, that was the simplest option for the time being until something more formal (maybe a wiki) is sorted out than it going to the winamp provided help site (which I don't want to rely upon on principal).

I suppose also the assumption I'm working with for now is those that know Winamp so I can get it close to it's experience but I also appreciate that the initial on-boarding experience is lacking along with the related documentation that's typically expected. If it helps, Winamp's help was primarily online / forum based & I'd assume it's reasonably uncommon to not have a device that doesn't have online access (though improving the off-line experience is worth noting).


General Discussion / Re: Receive notifications of new versions?
« on: May 02, 2021, 07:03:50 PM »
I used to send out things for the beta testers but between most going to spam & hitting server sending limits I've not done it for a while. I'm just trying to follow what the need / usefulness would be for a newsletter or something else when the in-client update is generally the best notification.


General Discussion / Re: Installed newest update lost Device
« on: April 26, 2021, 03:00:27 PM »
Just ml_pmp would've been needed to be enabled. I don't have all plug-ins pre-enabled despite being selected during installation as they often slow things down (definitely a case with the remaining winamp provided library plug-ins) when most users aren't going to need them.

However you just updating WACUP shouldn't have changed that unless you're someone who nukes an install prior to updating & that would make it set ml_pmp to the pre-disabled state.


General Discussion / Re: raspberry pi 4
« on: April 26, 2021, 02:57:21 PM »
WACUP is a Windows only solution for now & will be for quite some time to come (a native linux version is a possible long-term goal once the windows version is completely sorted) so unless it's possible to run it under WINE on the rpi4 (no idea as my newest rpi was an rpi2 that I've not touched in years) then I'm sorry to say it isn't an option.


General Discussion / Re: Seek bar during playback
« on: April 13, 2021, 05:20:06 PM »
I've yet to look into this again (am preoccupied with trying to take over the remaining parts of the classic skin handling from Winamp) but if it's only being triggered in a certain manner & just for that skin then either it's just an oddity with the modern skin engine (likely as it often doesn't initiate things into a known state) or there's an issue within the winamp modern skin script files related to how the seeker bar is managed. I've made a note to have a look at the skin scripts when I've got more time to do so unless anyone else following this has the time able to do it before I can do it.


Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: Internet Radio Features wish list
« on: April 11, 2021, 10:27:12 PM »
I've just pushed an updated database so when the client next does an update it should see some listings again. I've still more work to do with the update process but this'll suffice for another week or so.


Wishlist / Feature Requests / Re: Internet Radio Features wish list
« on: April 10, 2021, 11:08:17 PM »
from another thread earlier today:

I've still to get everything related to it working again after the site migration which means the db cache hasn't been updated for almost 2weeks. It's also not helped that both the shoutcast & TuneIn APIs aren't returning results correctly which is messing up what I do. Will try to get something sorted in the coming week.
Unchecking the filter old results will get things showing something again but like you note, it's a constantly moving target & I'm reliant on those services providing valid results & that the stations don't keep changing (I wish more of them would use DNS urls & not just IP addresses which makes it a complete pain from what I remember when working on SHOUTcast in a prior life.

Bitrate is able to be filtered when there are listings but it's incomplete due to a lack of information at times from the services currently polled (icecast, shoutcast & tunein).

User stations is still to be implemented & an import / export is what would be offered when it's added (is some technical reasons due to the database solution currently used for the main radio database which is why it's not yet been done).

Custom filtering is tricky as the information I'm currently showing is about as much as I can consistently get from the different sources. Also the main radio db is read-only since that's only ever going to be a database download vs what user stations should be (which could then have a user data field against it).

Supporting multiple items for a bookmark is an interesting idea though maybe doing it as a library playlist might be a better option (that's all that services like SHOUTcast basically do with their listen links) & having that local playlist set as a bookmark would allow you to get close to what's needed. I'll keep it in mind as doing it within the bookmarks view could be useful even if it's just a quicker way to make it into a playlist that can then be worked with via the library playlists view (so I don't duplicate the ui too much between instances).


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