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Title: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 24, 2017, 05:02:39 AM
Here we go...

After so so long, I'm pleased to present you my last skin, Big Bento Modern.

There is so much to say about it -and I suck so much at being clear and concise- that I'm just leaving you with the skin and some notes at the bottom:

(https://orig00.deviantart.net/f798/f/2017/306/6/2/003_by_victhor-dbskhx4.png)

The skin is 98% complete, CHECK THE README FILE inside the skin folder for details on what may be missing.

FEATURES HIGHLIGHTS:
* BBB >> Bigger / Better / Beautiful (translates into: High-res friendly / lots of features / modern style) ;)
* File info panel has a much better approach on covers and readability
* Multi-tools panel with highly customizable buttons
* Playlist info with never-seen-before info mix
* Huge, more complete and actually usable Skin settings page
* Cooler EQ tab
* Integrated Lyrics and Youtube video finder (using your favorite web browser of course)
* Translate-friendly setup (spanish Winamp translation included)
* Lots more, just try it.



FINAL RELEASE! 05/2018 (v1.02). Check the new thread here: https://getwacup.com/community/index.php?topic=327.msg2379



BIG UPDATE! 03/11 (v0.93):
Nuevo = (Spanish speakers) El Pack de Idioma en Castellano incluye este skin (archivo WLZ al final de este post). NOTA: Actualmente no funciona con WACUP, pero va a funcionar mas adelante cuando DrO reactive la función (ver aca >> https://getwacup.com/community/index.php/topic,212.msg1743.html#msg1743 para mas detalles -en inglés-).
New = Spanish Winamp Language pack (wlz) (use included "wasabi.xml" to translate the skin to your own language). IMPORTANT NOTE: Currently not working on WACUP. It will when DrO reactivates that function (see https://getwacup.com/community/index.php/topic,212.msg1743.html#msg1743 for details).
New = "Skin Tips" (toggable from Skin Settings or through Right Click).
New = Search Playlist animation on click + visual clues to denote functionality (funnier when no results ;) ).
New = Songticker and Times animation on load.
New = Right Click menu on Songticker is way more intuitive and useful (except for the "Send to" menu..).
New = (Playlist Search) Added Escape key trigger + Hover state to the whole area (more intuitive).
New = (Skin settings) Vertical scrollbars appear when needed (EQ tab too).
New = (Skin settings) "About the skin and the skinner" new page.
New = (Skin settings - Notifier) New option to show album or playback controls.
New = (Skin settings - Notifier) New option to hold notification open when mouse is above.
New = (Skin settings - Appearance) Option to set Winamp logo's visibility (Thanks DJPete).
New = (Side Playlist Album art) Added button to hide it (hidden, appears only on hover).
New = Equalizer tab has a little icon indicating if it's on.
New = (Shade) Right click on Switch button minimize Winamp.
Fixed = (Notifier) "Track XXXXXX of XXXXXXX" now is not truncated when displaying large strings (thanks Zackbuffo).
Fixed = (Notifier) Title now is properly displayed (with track time) when displaying long titles (thanks Zackbuffo).
Fixed = (Skin settings) Background rectangles change (and refresh) according to color themes.
Fixed = Display info no longer shows "Next / Previous track" nor "Stop playback" when nothing was playing (thanks Pawel).
Fixed = Custom buttons (formerly "Prog Buttons") only show info over songticker when set, not before (a lot more clean now).
Fixed = Play animation properly returns to 0 when stopped WHILE the animation is playing.
Fixed = "Current Playlist Info" no longer "steals" visible Playlist.
Fixed = Tabs tooltips.
Fixed = When volume is 0, Notifier text color changes to red and returns to yellow if volume is not 0.
Fixed = (EQ settings) Disabling / Enabling Crossfade does changes text color inmediately.
Fixed = "Slap close" (quickly exit -with Winamp maximized- by clicking the far top right corner) fixed.
Fixed = (File info) Background flashes above data while Winamp was docked (thanks Pawel).
Fixed = Bass and Treble thumbs are now centered when refreshing the skin.
Improved = Less chances that File info labels ("Kbps", "hz") end up truncated when using custom fonts (thanks Pawel).
Improved = Added outline to generic windows so it doesn't blend with the player itself.
Improved = "Notifier" references changed to a more standard "Notifications".
Improved = "Show Playlist Tab" is now on "Playlist" settings (makes more sense and clears some space on "Appearance").
Improved = (Skin Settings - Notification) Sub-menu text (colored in purple) changed to actual text objects (99% of the skin's text is not an image now).
+ lots of minor gfx fixes and improvements)


UPDATE 26/09 (v0.92):
- Fixed Tabs area switch missplaced button
- New option inside "Appearance" to set the tabs to icons only (also through Right click)
- Play - pause animation now behaving correctly when stopping the music while on pause.
- New discard animation on Multi-tools message (justadetailbutlooksnice..)

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NOTE: Just like Bento / Big Bento, this skin works loose in its own folder, so just unzip it inside your skins folder.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Pawel on September 24, 2017, 10:33:39 AM
What can I say?
The skin is great! Looks nice. Works nice. Has a lot features :)

Good job!
-Pawel
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 24, 2017, 08:54:10 PM
Thanks! I'm planning a step by step post detailing features for not-so-advanced users. Specially since some stuff is not that obvious actually.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on September 24, 2017, 09:07:25 PM
I've already been blown away by the betas of this skin, but this version is just so damn lovely and it's got to be my modern skin of choice now. Keep finding little things on some of the button actions that are just making me smile and only a few skins have done that for me before :)

Knowing how long this skin has been worked on, you can tell it's been made out of deep passion to achieve what's wanted and to do it right. That imho is the mark of a great Winamp skin and I believe that is how to view this skin, it's great!

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 24, 2017, 10:56:41 PM
Thanks Darren for those heartfelt words, it was indeed a lot of hard work and some inspiration to help when willing was failing. I also don't want to forget how much work was put into the original skin too, Martin, Benski and Taber Buhl did an awesome job preparing the entire setup for all kind of scenarios, blending the skinning engine beyond imaginable (partly expected since the skin was done while having access to the dev team), which can only be appreciated when messing around with the skin files and scripts. It is an incredible job over which I could work and take it further.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 24, 2017, 11:14:17 PM
By the way, if anyone is getting this on Windows 10 please let me now:

(https://orig00.deviantart.net/0775/f/2017/267/1/c/win10_bug_by_victhor-dbogp87.png)

Is not expected of course, that's the tab toggle missbehaving. When tabs area is open, it should look like this:

(https://orig00.deviantart.net/909f/f/2017/267/a/f/win10_tabs_by_victhor-dbogpn2.png)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on September 24, 2017, 11:22:21 PM
I'm seeing that oddity, just hadn't tested on a non-WACUP install to see if it was also on there before reporting.

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 24, 2017, 11:27:34 PM
Damn.. that's the skinning engine not being prepared for something on Windows 10.. there is a fix for that, but I was expecting to avoid it heh..
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on September 24, 2017, 11:35:26 PM
Welcome to my world :)  Lemme know if there's anything you need me to try out.
Plus it's a relief it's not a WACUP specific issue unlike we had with the Invicta skin.

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: MarkRH on September 25, 2017, 01:09:21 AM
I'm getting that line in the menu.  Windows 7 Pro 64bit with Windows Classic Theme. 

(https://i.imgur.com/Ot6Fvog.png)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Aminifu on September 25, 2017, 02:02:08 AM
I hate to say me too, but me too on Window 10 Home 64bit!  :)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: MarkRH on September 25, 2017, 06:54:00 AM
The more I play around with it, the more I'm liking it.  It might even become my default one as I've always gone back to the Bento (not big) skin after everything else.  Great work!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Pawel on September 25, 2017, 08:37:19 AM
I also see those lines. Windows 10 Pro x64 with Wacup.
I think, I will report more bugs... testing in progress...
-Pawel
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 25, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
D'oh! I thought it was limited to Win10 only. It's a very annoying bug so I'm putting it to the top of my list now. Thanks for the reports!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on September 25, 2017, 09:04:11 PM
Awesome skin! I wish I had one of those monitors that could really make use of the size! Luckily Christmas is coming up.

One thing that I have found that is easy to report is that the number 2 is missing from the Color Themes menu.

A setting that I am trying to find is to collapse the tabs to just the icons. (I saw it in another screen shot that you posted and you might not have implemented that feature in this beta version.)

I also have the line that you reported.

Thank you for all of the hard work. This is really really nice!

[EDIT]
I answered a couple of my own questions. I clicked on that bar that is in the wrong place and it switched places to the right of the tabs text. Then once I did that, the info bubble started to appear and I saw that it was the show/hide tab's text message. So clicking that allowed me to collapse the tabs to just the icons and now the bar stays in the right place it seems.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 26, 2017, 12:59:54 AM
Awesome skin! I wish I had one of those monitors that could really make use of the size! Luckily Christmas is coming up.

Thanks! You don't need a big monitor to enjoy it though, the skin is "better PREPARED for larger resolutions" but not especially designed to only work fine on it. Hope that makes sense..

..the number 2 is missing from the Color Themes menu.
Color themes are not final, I just included those which are there to test the colors, but final version will have many color themes as usual on me. In the meantime, as one of the "hidden details" the skin has, you can use any of the Official Bento Color themes (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=276371). The skin is prepared to support it, although the final result will be obviously different (better on some cases, worse on others..).

[EDIT]
I answered a couple of my own questions. I clicked on that bar that is in the wrong place and it switched places to the right of the tabs text. Then once I did that, the info bubble started to appear and I saw that it was the show/hide tab's text message. So clicking that allowed me to collapse the tabs to just the icons and now the bar stays in the right place it seems.

The thing is that although you may be able to get around it, that button is not supposed to work like that (it should work fine right from the beginning), so I'm right now trying to fix it for good (I think I can also make it "remember" how you set it -if open or closed- between sessions..).
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 26, 2017, 07:04:14 AM
Updated the skin to 0.92, see main post for details / new download.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: MarkRH on September 26, 2017, 11:10:39 AM
Looks like the Tab Text/Icon button is in the right spot now.  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/omeuXnJ.png)

Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on September 26, 2017, 02:23:00 PM
Awesome Work!
And it seems that the skin tabs will "remember" how you set it. Excellent!
One small suggestion (and I am not sure if this is already on your list or not) When you "hover" over the tabs the pop up just says "Switch Tabs" Can you make those hover over details say what the buttons actually are? Media Library, Visualization, etc.
I am falling in love with this skin!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Pawel on September 26, 2017, 02:42:44 PM
Victhor,
What font do you use and how do you render it?
I have problems with Polish chars... in most cases it looks bad (but at least polish chars are displayed!)
Is there any way to improve it? Now, Polish chars are bigger/thicker... (ć, ó and ł looks OK, but ś ż ź ą ę ń looks bad).
[To see ć -> press ALT+C, ś -> ALT+ s, etc... in Polish keyboard (Polish Programmer)]

Take a look: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506433129/dddu.png
My font settings: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506433341/Font_Settings.png

-Pawel
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on September 26, 2017, 03:24:17 PM
Suggestion (which can be completely ignored as it might not be useful for most). from looking at the screenshot attached, would we be able to have some way to integrate the waveform seeker window into an upper portion of the skin window (above the player controls) or even as a panel in-between the play controls and the media library section.

Is just a random thought as it'd make that aspect feel more integrated than having a window docked to the top and wasting precious screen space from the added window borders.

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 26, 2017, 03:42:54 PM
@Juanus: Yes, Tabs need their own tooltip and I tried to fix it but there's a script interfering so I still haven't got around it (that was only one of 56 scripts that cracked my head at some point XD ). So it is on my to do list of course =).

@Pawel: I use Swis721, a lovely font, specially well displayed by Winamp at most sizes, with a right balance between condensed and clearness / readability (the former needed to not waste space on long strings and the later for small buttons texts and... everything else!). It handle well my spanish "ñ" and accented vowels so I imagined it would work fine on most scenarios, but I knew it wouldn't be enough so it's also on my list to find a font checking all boxes and also displaying your special characters.

I'm also planning on an "extra-detail" to assign diferent identifiers to fonts used on different situations so it's easier / better to use Winamp's font mapper, even thought the general font used is the same. I.E: All fonts would be "Swis721", but the songticker is identified as "songticker-font", the File info as "file-info-font", and so on. That way in the Font Mapper you will be able to set each one according to your needs (even increasing size some points, there's room for that too -yeah I thought about almost everything 8) -).
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 26, 2017, 04:29:38 PM
Suggestion (which can be completely ignored as it might not be useful for most). from looking at the screenshot attached, would we be able to have some way to integrate the waveform seeker window into an upper portion of the skin window (above the player controls) or even as a panel in-between the play controls and the media library section.

Hmmm... being a plugin, it's hard to integrate it other than as a general container for "plug-ins" like in cPro. Is not a bad idea, I could implement it like in cPro, it would be located on the SUI area as another tab, but there's a Winamp limit there where the plugins opened like that (integrated as a SUI window) have to forcibly be auto-closed, it happens on cPro. I'd have to look at the limits of it and see if it's acceptable to have it auto-closed everytime Winamp is closed (I remember it not being well received for some users with specific plugins).
Maybe something can be done from the WACUP side to fix it? I'd have to look on the forums where I saw some talking about this limitation (I hope it's not on the Skin Consortium forum which is sort of broke right now..)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on September 26, 2017, 04:59:49 PM
I'm really not too sure what's involved on such things other than I have to ensure a GUID is set on the generic skinned window from within the plug-in's code and then I give that GUID to the skinner and they do their magic :)  I vaguely remember being told what's meant to happen but I can't remember how / where I was told about it.

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 26, 2017, 05:45:43 PM
..and then I give that GUID to the skinner and they do their magic :)  I vaguely remember being told what's meant to happen but I can't remember how / where I was told about it.

If it's just a GUID implementation.. then we're not that far from something very VERY cool (that I wanted or AGES!).. like this mockup..
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on September 26, 2017, 06:26:51 PM
That's the sort of thing I was thinking :)

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: synthetiq on September 26, 2017, 07:48:33 PM
Just WoW!
This makes wanna be a beta tester like "100 years" ago again!
Keep the good works comming... I wanna be a beta tester now!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on September 27, 2017, 01:35:08 PM
I wanna be a beta tester now!
I just need to code faster & get a new beta build ready & then you (and the other pending requests) will be added :)

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Pawel on September 27, 2017, 03:23:57 PM
The best would be if waveform seeker looks like in AIMP (http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506521149/AIMP.png) - in progress bar.

Victhor,
Two issues:
1. Is it possible to change the following behavior of the skin:
- When I click Next or Previous button the "Next Track" or "Previous Track" is displayed on Song Title area -> http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506521406/Next_Previous.png
It is displayed about 3 seconds... in this time I don't see the song title (ATF string) - it is not good... if i click Next/Next I want to see a song title... instead I have to wait 3 seconds to see a title...
Maybe this info (Next Track) could be displayed on other field? or <1s?
Ps: yes, I can see this info in "File Info" area... but File Info area can be hidden - SongTicker is always visible.

2. In mopst time I use Winamp with your skin docked to the top of my screen (hidden). When I move mouse it shows up (Windows Settings/Docked Toolbar/Top+AutoHide)
Sometimes, when the window is showing the part of skin is "not refreshed". See the image: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506522072/InterfaceUpdateneeded.png
The window need to be updated...

It should be like this: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506522101/OK.png

3. Last image shows next problem: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506522158/OK.png
"KBPS" is cutted... 44KH -> shouldn't it be 44.1 KHz?



Ps: The problem with fonts and Polish characters is solved (I replaced the font by another one that shows beautiful Polish characters).
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 27, 2017, 03:54:48 PM
Cooool, these observations come in handy =)

The best would be if waveform seeker looks like in AIMP (http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506521149/AIMP.png) - in progress bar.

Sort of the idea on my mockup.. is it? Or you mean with the seeker below playback buttons?

1. Is it possible to change the following behavior of the skin:
- When I click Next or Previous button the "Next Track" or "Previous Track" is displayed on Song Title area -> http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506521406/Next_Previous.png
It is displayed about 3 seconds... in this time I don't see the song title (ATF string) - it is not good... if i click Next/Next I want to see a song title... instead I have to wait 3 seconds to see a title...
Maybe this info (Next Track) could be displayed on other field? or <1s?

Yeah, it's annoying, I have planned to directly removed that info (is pointless in my opinion) and also the "Stop playback" that's triggered when playback is already stop (i.e. it shows with the hit of the button, no matter if the music is playing or not). I'll do all these while trying to clear up a bit more the display area, which also shows un-timed info like "Prog button set to..."when showing Muti-tools panel.

2. In mopst time I use Winamp with your skin docked to the top of my screen (hidden). When I move mouse it shows up (Windows Settings/Docked Toolbar/Top+AutoHide)
Sometimes, when the window is showing the part of skin is "not refreshed".

Cool, I've seen this happen but couldn't reproduce it, will check it out, I think I know what's happening there..

3. Last image shows next problem: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1506522158/OK.png
"KBPS" is cutted... 44KH -> shouldn't it be 44.1 KHz?

I think "44" is used as abreviation, just for the sake of simplicity. Is like that on the original Bento too. The cut out text is because how constrained is the space for each data box. Some more air in there won't hurt (after all, is a small area even when all data is shown). Adding it to my to do list!

Ps: The problem with fonts and Polish characters is solved (I replaced the font by another one that shows beautiful Polish characters).

Good, because I haven't found many fonts fulfilling what Winamp needs (stated before). I'll keep looking though.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Celahir on September 28, 2017, 10:22:45 PM
Absolutely adore this skin, I've got some small oddities I've noticed during general use:

When the skin is docked (at the top, I presume bottom gives the same issue) and expanded it swaps from the media library tab (the one I last opened) to the visualization tab and starts the visualizer. Basically, every time you expand the docked bar it starts the visualizer.

I've also noticed I can no longer expand from bar mode into full mode when double clicking on the bar, I'm not sure if this is a skin issue, but it seems so.

Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 29, 2017, 04:20:03 PM
Hi Celahir, I can't reproduce the docking issue, but I can try to change the Win7 snap feature to behave differently when using Docking.

I disabled on  purpose some original features like that of double click to switch to shade. I'll try to add it for future releases.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on September 30, 2017, 05:52:52 PM
When you hover your mouse over the "Track Progress" bar it highlights the whole thing, but the highlight doesn't go all the way back to the end.
I have included a screen shot to illustrate. Let me know if this doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 30, 2017, 06:02:35 PM
That's actually intended, a whole glow didn't look good, so I made it like "fade" on each side. There is room to improve the quality of the fade maybe, I'll look into it.

Funny that you didn't notice another thing that is actually wrong there, precisely because of that fade, the beginning of the middle section overlaps with the end of the first section (see screenshot). That probably happens with the end section too, but is not seen because it's covered by the seek thumb.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on September 30, 2017, 07:52:16 PM
I am glad that is intended behavior.
I have to say that I still don't see what you mentioned.
Is it one of those "developer" things where you know it is there and it bothers you but no one else can see it?
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on September 30, 2017, 10:36:56 PM
Heh kind of.. But if you look closely you'll see too..
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Celahir on October 02, 2017, 04:47:19 AM
Hi Celahir, I can't reproduce the docking issue, but I can try to change the Win7 snap feature to behave differently when using Docking.

I disabled on  purpose some original features like that of double click to switch to shade. I'll try to add it for future releases.

I'll have a proper look at the settings and circumstances and see if I can recreate it on another machine, aside from that, again, fantastic work!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: WowMachine on October 11, 2017, 07:44:28 PM
I REALLY like it, but it doesn't seem to handle my multiple monitor setup.... I normally use winamp modern and have it all on 1 of 3 monitors... when I switch to Big Bento modern, it moves over to the 'main monitor.' When I try to re-locate it back to the other screen, it appears to move but a white outline appears on the side of the monitor that I'm moving from, and when I release the mouse, the main window disappears from the side-monitor and re-appears where the outline was on the side of the main monitor.

Good work though! It looks great!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on October 11, 2017, 07:48:11 PM
That's the Snap to windows feature, to move the skin to another screen disable it first (skin settings or trough Right click menus). There is a planned fix on this for the next version anyway!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: WowMachine on October 11, 2017, 07:58:44 PM
Ah! Got it! Wow, there are a lot of submunus still to explore! I hit that little thing and chalked it up to my idiosyncratic setup. Thanks!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: ariszlo on October 22, 2017, 06:43:53 PM
I'm loving this more and more!

Some remarks:

Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on October 23, 2017, 12:16:33 AM
Ey! Sorry it took me so long to reply, I've seen your message on the Winamp Forums but never got around to reply, so I'm doing it here since there are some extra stuff:

Is the Browser tab still useful? All it does is tell you that "You've asked for client.winamp.com."
My intention is to replace it with the Reader from cPro2, but I still haven't got to that.

Starting up the skin with 2 cd covers feels messy. Would it not look cleaner if Album Art was turned off by default in File Info Components?
Well, I intend to add a couple of extra functions to this "feature", like cycling through jpg/png/gif found on the same folder, or even artist picture (from a locally -properly- named file). THEN I will add several options to it, including disabling it altogether.

The notfound cover image and the Shoutcast cover image do not scale up well.
Yeah, this will be fixed for next version!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: ariszlo on October 23, 2017, 09:29:14 AM
Is the Browser tab still useful? All it does is tell you that "You've asked for client.winamp.com."
My intention is to replace it with the Reader from cPro2, but I still haven't got to that.

That is a good idea but please replace AlbumArtExchange with something else because AlbumArtExchange is blocking several countries, including mine.

Starting up the skin with 2 cd covers feels messy. Would it not look cleaner if Album Art was turned off by default in File Info Components?
Well, I intend to add a couple of extra functions to this "feature", like cycling through jpg/png/gif found on the same folder, or even artist picture (from a locally -properly- named file). THEN I will add several options to it, including disabling it altogether.

Which one? The one in the bottom right corner or the one between the songticker and file info? Or both? You can already turn off the latter by clicking on the rectangular ellipsis, selecting File Info Components and unchecking Album Art. What I suggested is start BBM with a single cd cover in the bottom right corner and have Album Art unchecked in File Info Components by default. Whoever likes to watch two album covers can enable Album Art for File Info themselves.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: ariszlo on October 23, 2017, 11:39:44 AM
Plus it's a relief it's not a WACUP specific issue unlike we had with the Invicta skin.

Which version of Invicta? Version 1.0 (https://www.wincustomize.com/explore/winamp/821/), Version 1.1 (http://www.1001skins.com/pages/skinbrowser/razmansix/skin/3043) or Version 1.31 (http://download.nullsoft.com/customize/component/3/new/S/Invicta_-_Fixed.wal)?
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on October 23, 2017, 12:44:40 PM
Plus it's a relief it's not a WACUP specific issue unlike we had with the Invicta skin.

Which version of Invicta? Version 1.0 (https://www.wincustomize.com/explore/winamp/821/), Version 1.1 (http://www.1001skins.com/pages/skinbrowser/razmansix/skin/3043) or Version 1.31 (http://download.nullsoft.com/customize/component/3/new/S/Invicta_-_Fixed.wal)?
That issue wasn't down to a specific skin version but how the replacement png image loading worked in WACUP vs native (it related to gamma correction handling which is more of an issue for older png files).

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on October 23, 2017, 04:10:17 PM
Is the Browser tab still useful? All it does is tell you that "You've asked for client.winamp.com."
Was it ever useful is probably the better question imho. I'd personally rather not see it in there at all (in any of the modern skins) & things just load in the default browser (using a crippled IE/webbrowser experience isn't enjoyable) if there's a need. As the modern skins can more easily show the sort of extra info that doing things via the browser is trying to do without the massive overhead & jarring interfacing.

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 03, 2017, 05:24:50 AM
New version is up people (0.93), check it out, lots of new stuff (more than 30 items on the changelog!). Be warned that the Language pack I prepared is not working on WACUP yet (but you can use the included wasabi.xml* to translate the skin to your own language!).

*Maybe it works if placing the file inside a Language Pack / Folder on a WACUP install? I haven't test it, let me know if you do.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on November 03, 2017, 01:14:05 PM
*Maybe it works if placing the file inside a Language Pack / Folder on a WACUP install? I haven't test it, let me know if you do.
Language pack support is somewhat intentionally broken in WACUP and this will be re-enabled at a later time. This was done to avoid issues with existing language packs & the replacement plug-ins which try to leverage some of the existing resources & can crash in some cases.

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on November 03, 2017, 04:47:15 PM
Thank you for making my new favorite skin!
Two issues
1) As per the screen shot, the color themes change the color of the buttons.
I am using Winamp Modern | City Night 2. I would think that those buttons should stay consistent no matter which color pack you use. The default color theme makes the buttons appear correctly.

2) On the same screen. If you hover over that window pane and try to scroll with your mouse, it adjusts the volume. On all of the other panes, it will scroll that particular window up and down. This also happens with the Notification Options. I am not sure if this is skin related or WACUP related, but I thought I would report.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 03, 2017, 06:03:58 PM
1) As per the screen shot, the color themes change the color of the buttons.... I would think that those buttons should stay consistent no matter which color pack you use.

You're right, it was my intention at first but changed it back and forth a couple of times and I forgot to update the gammagroup. Corrected now, thanks!

2) On the same screen. If you hover over that window pane and try to scroll with your mouse, it adjusts the volume.

That's expected, sadly. I'm glad you perceived it like a traditional scrollbar (not different from all the others), but the thing is that Winamp doesn't have a scrollbar option for the skin engine, so I refurbished the one found on cPro2 widgets window and didn't find a way to make it respond to mouse wheel. I know, it's annoying at first, but you get used eventually. What's important is that you can reach the bottom part of the tab content without needing to resize the whole window. For now, that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Pawel on November 03, 2017, 07:30:12 PM
Be warned that the Language pack I prepared is not working on WACUP yet (but you can use the included wasabi.xml* to translate the skin to your own language!).

*Maybe it works if placing the file inside a Language Pack / Folder on a WACUP install? I haven't test it, let me know if you do.

I can confirm, it works with Language Pack with WACUP but it is unstable. Now it is only usable to check how the translation works but it is not good to use in normal work - it crashes a lot!
As DrO wrote, Language pack support is intentionally broken in WACUP.
-Pawel
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 03, 2017, 07:39:06 PM
Now it is only usable to check how the translation works but it is not good to use in normal work...

Well, and non-WACUP / traditional Winamp installs too. For the time being I'm targeting them, besides WACUP is still in beta, traditional Winamp installs are still way too many to ignore.

PS / EDIT: I'm open to observations about the translation stuff, it's the first time I do one so there might be things I missed (i.e. Right-click first 2 lines on Custom buttons are generated dinamically and therefore not being recognized for the translation, I'm still exploring some work around)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Aminifu on November 04, 2017, 11:05:41 PM
Hi victhor,

This skin has several unique features (I keep stumbling over) and is looking better and better!

I have a couple of questions concerning the remaining and elapsed time display on the top left side. I like that arrangement of time info and have never seen it before. I've noticed that the sum of the remaining and elapsed time is 1 second less than the total track time. Is this a bug or something that's unavoidable? What do you think about showing the time of day instead of "-00:00" (or "00:00") when the player is in stop mode?
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 05, 2017, 04:01:50 AM
I have a couple of questions concerning the remaining and elapsed time display on the top left side. I like that arrangement of time info and have never seen it before. I've noticed that the sum of the remaining and elapsed time is 1 second less than the total track time. Is this a bug or something that's unavoidable?
If there is something there, is a Winamp bug of some sort, I just used the predefined params to display times ("time", "timeelapsed" and "songlenght"). Is true that the sum doesn't match up, wonder why no one noticed it before...

What do you think about showing the time of day instead of "-00:00" (or "00:00") when the player is in stop mode?
I considered this during early stages of the skin, but it doesn't match with the idea I have for this skin. Clocks and alarm clocks within a Media player is a feature from old times, nowadays it may be useful under certain scenarios but it doesn't make much sense when there are plenty of clocks and alarms functionality on other applications (including Windows). My idea is that if you're going to use the player for music, then there aren't many chances to actually see the timer stopped. Considering all that, I didn't see fit to use yet another script to include that (there are currently 56 scripts running on this skin!)

PS: I've read about the BPM tag you mention on the PeterK's skin thread and thought it might be worthy to include it as an option for the File info view. I hope it's not too hard.. v_v
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: masoko on November 05, 2017, 02:49:18 PM
Love it! Is it possible to apply a custom font?
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Aminifu on November 05, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
If there is something there, is a Winamp bug of some sort, I just used the predefined params to display times ("time", "timeelapsed" and "songlenght"). Is true that the sum doesn't match up, wonder why no one noticed it before...

Well you know me. I'm one of the few people who actually look for obscure things like this. Don't worry about it (after-all it's only 1 second). The Winamp devs probably didn't know about this bug probably because no one has chosen to display the timing info the way you have. 

PS: I've read about the BPM tag you mention on the PeterK's skin thread and thought it might be worthy to include it as an option for the File info view. I hope it's not too hard.. v_v

I hope you'll be able to add it. It could be another little thing to help this skin stand out from the rest. ;)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 05, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
I hope you'll be able to add it. It could be another little thing to help this skin stand out from the rest. ;)

Done ;) . It's easy actually. So much that now I'll re-add the Publisher tag that I originally replaced with the Comment tag, although no one noticed it missing heh.

@Masoko: Custom font like the option in "Preferences > Skins > Modern skins > Font rendering tab > Use skin font mapper" ? =)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Ricardo_estep on November 06, 2017, 12:08:23 AM
I have tested it using, by moment, Winamp version 5.666 (patched) on x64... And i love it so much.
I use "City Nights Color Skin", and looks pretty awesome with "Windows 10 Dark Skin". I loved support for Spanish Language, too. :)
I would love to have an Option to change "Spectrogram Color" under Song Title... Every option on there, just, left it purple, when everything rest is Orange. xP
I don't really use modded fonts, so i cannot give support about that. But the skin by and large works really great.

Thanks for all of your work and greetings! :)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 06, 2017, 12:55:45 AM
I would love to have an Option to change "Spectrogram Color" under Song Title... Every option on there, just, left it purple, when everything rest is Orange. xP
I don't really use modded fonts, so i cannot give support about that. But the skin by and large works really great.

Gracias che! Such an option would be awesome but I'm afraid the only way -I know- to achieve it would be way too CPU intensive. Your option is to go with the Color editor, but it may be too much to accomplish what you need (this guy is on the same position as you, I guess >> https://getwacup.com/community/index.php/topic,228.0.html).

PD: genial avatar, rocanrolll!!! XD (si ya se, es mas Metal en realidad pero es la misma actitud no? jeje)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on November 08, 2017, 12:34:01 AM
Fixed = (Notifier) "Track XXXXXX of XXXXXXX" now is not truncated when displaying large strings (thanks Zackbuffo).
Fixed = (Notifier) Title now is properly displayed (with track time) when displaying long titles (thanks Zackbuffo).

I have two issues.
1) I am still getting truncation in the notifier and hence the title is not properly displayed and I don't have the track time. The track numbers are not truncated but the title of the track playing is. Like it is not wrapping around.
2) I have two monitors and the notifications only appear on the main monitor. I have the notification options set to Bottom Right and I have tried both options under that for Relative to Viewpoint  AND Relative to Monitor and it does the same thing. The other skins will make the notification appear on the second monitor.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 08, 2017, 12:47:48 AM
1) I am still getting truncation in the notifier and hence the title is not properly displayed and I don't have the track time. The track numbers are not truncated but the title of the track playing is. Like it is not wrapping around.

Does it happen on not-so-long titles as well? Notifications are not meant to show ALL the title independently of the amount of characters, remember it is a huge font we're using now, so I've put a stop on the 36-37th character to avoid a too invasive notification. In fact, notifications are design to occupy a 1/3 of the screen at most.

2) I have two monitors and the notifications only appear on the main monitor. I have the notification options set to Bottom Right and I have tried both options under that for Relative to Viewpoint  AND Relative to Monitor and it does the same thing. The other skins will make the notification appear on the second monitor.
This is expected, I need to check on other skins to see how they solved it. Which skins have you seen using more than one screen?
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on November 08, 2017, 01:05:03 AM
Does it happen on not-so-long titles as well? Notifications are not meant to show ALL the title independently of the amount of characters, remember it is a huge font we're using now, so I've put a stop on the 36-37th character to avoid a too invasive notification. In fact, notifications are design to occupy a 1/3 of the screen at most.

I had to do some testing with other tracks. I have been playing some podcasts that have long titles lately so that is why I noticed. But tracks with shorter titles work perfectly. Sorry to sound the alarm. Everything seems to be working as intended.

This is expected, I need to check on other skins to see how they solved it. Which skins have you seen using more than one screen?

I have been using the standard Bento skins and they do not have this problem. But I have grown to love your skin.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on November 08, 2017, 01:26:54 AM
Maybe for the longer title strings, rather than a hard clip, use an ellipse (...) as that'll make it less harsh if clipping does have to happen (I'd hope that most people get what a ... implies).

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 08, 2017, 01:18:09 PM
I have been using the standard Bento skins and they do not have this problem. But I have grown to love your skin.

Don't worry, if it's on one skin, then it can be here ;).

Maybe for the longer title strings, rather than a hard clip, use an ellipse (...) as that'll make it less harsh if clipping does have to happen (I'd hope that most people get what a ... implies).

Good idea, now let's hope I can figure out how to display en ellipse dinamically..
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on November 08, 2017, 02:39:13 PM
Good idea, now let's hope I can figure out how to display en ellipse dinamically..
slip the string & then append the ellipse. nice & simple :)

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Pawel on November 09, 2017, 09:17:37 AM
I am translating the skin into Polish language. It will be available in my Language Pack.
Because, translation system is not yet working well in WACUP I am testing it in clean Winamp 5.666 (AOL)
For now, here are my notes:

1. Is it possible to make Tip window a bit longer (it is hard to fit all text)?
Ps: Tip: word is not translated -> you need to add the following to wasabi.xml: <translation from="TIP:" to="TIP:" />

2. Some entries can not be translated (loaded dynamically, like for example: "VOLUME:")
I am sure it can be done easily but I don't remember how to do it... -> Ask DrO or Benski

3. Is it possible to make Tabs width a bit longer? http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510142714/vic2.png
Could you move right the selected area? http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510217948/ddddddd.png

4. I still have a problem with Font mapping in the skin...
If I map swis721 font into for example Arial Unicode MS it seems to work (I can see correct Polish letters in the skin).
For example: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510217136/mapping.png
However if I only refresh skin (F5) or close and open Winamp again it is borked again:
http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510217298/mappings1.png
(Songticker, Time display area and File Info are OK) -> skin options is not OK.
or
http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510217433/dsd.png

@DrO
Am I doing something wrong? How to set different font for Winamp interface?
Is this is a bug that Winamp not remembers it?

5. What this means (could you describe it?):
      <translation from="Slam!!!" to="Slam!!!" /> --> what is SLAM? what is the context?
      <translation from="Switch to Light version" to="Switch to Light version" /> --> it is "lite" version or with lighter color?
      <translation from="Switch to Dark version" to="Switch to Dark version" /> --> is it "full" version or with dark theme?

6. Skin options
When the option is not checked the slider is on the left: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510218338/Option_NOT_Checked.png
When the option is checked the slider is on the right: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510218436/Option_Checked.png
It is OK -> But I wonder why if user hover mouse over NOT checked option it shows it is checked?
http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510218527/Option_Not_Checked_With_Mouse_Over.png
Are you sure it is intuitive?

7. Color Themes list has a very small font (comparing to other)
http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510218659/small.png

8. The "question mark" icon is visually not good-> http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510218746/qm.png
Maybe you can improve it to not look so "pixelated"

-Pawel
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 09, 2017, 11:10:09 AM
I am translating the skin into Polish language. It will be available in my Language Pack.

Excellent! I knew I could count on you ;)

1. Is it possible to make Tip window a bit longer (it is hard to fit all text)?
Ps: Tip: word is not translated -> you need to add the following to wasabi.xml: <translation from="TIP:" to="TIP:" />
Will add it for next version (in spanish "tip" is "tip", but I didn't pretend to skip it)

2. Some entries can not be translated (loaded dynamically, like for example: "VOLUME:")
I am sure it can be done easily but I don't remember how to do it...
Yeah, I think I know how, it's on my to-do list.

3. Is it possible to make Tabs width a bit longer?..
Yep, on it! (seems like spanish is not the only language where words are significantly longer than in english...
Well.. maybe is the other way around, english is too "compact" actually XD (most of the time I end up using english on my folder naming system to save a lot of characters!)

4. I still have a problem with Font mapping in the skin...
I said I would add missing characters to the font, I didn't say WHEN XD. Next version will have it!

5. What this means (could you describe it?):
      <translation from="Slam!!!" to="Slam!!!" /> --> what is SLAM? what is the context?
      <translation from="Switch to Light version" to="Switch to Light version" /> --> it is "lite" version or with lighter color?
      <translation from="Switch to Dark version" to="Switch to Dark version" /> --> is it "full" version or with dark theme?

Slam!!! >> would be "Slam close", closing Winamp very abruptly. My translation is very informal since it's a tooltip not so easy to spot -may change it later-, but you can translate it as "Close Winamp". This text is on the tooltip you see when the skin is on fullscreen and you aim to the very far top-right corner (visually, mouse pointer would be outside the close button, but it's another close button indeed)

Switch to Light/Dark version >> Like on Windows 10 switching from dark to light COLOR of windows. On Android this is called "Night mode" (dark) vs "Daylight mode" (light) IIRC.

6. Skin options
When the option is not checked the slider is on the left: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510218338/Option_NOT_Checked.png
When the option is checked the slider is on the right: http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510218436/Option_Checked.png
It is OK -> But I wonder why if user hover mouse over NOT checked option it shows it is checked?... Are you sure it is intuitive?

Originally this was just a lighter color over the rectangle, to denote which options was about-to be checked, now since on my skin is easier to spot that, I changed it to denote that "you can toggle it". When enabling something is working fine, but I have to find a way to achieve the same when disabling something..

7. Color Themes list has a very small font (comparing to other)
Yep, I managed to change Search results fonts but this is a downside of that.. I'll see if I will mantain this for the final version.

8. The "question mark" icon is visually not good... Maybe you can improve it to not look so "pixelated"
Heh, this is totally on purpose, it's sort of an 8-Bit question mark. Wanted something to stand out from all the other more - traditional icons..
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Pawel on November 09, 2017, 12:50:28 PM
Victhor, thank you for your answer and explanations.
-Pawel
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Pawel on November 09, 2017, 03:57:30 PM
Victhor,

Here are the next part with translation issues...
While I was checking skin translation I found few untranslated strings. I am sure some of them are not translated yet because
this options are still subject to change/improve...
I will wait till you have final version of the skin and then check my translation again to be sure it is OK.

      <!-- OTHER -->
      <translation from="TIP:" to="TIP" />
      <!-- Winamp Menu :: Options--> Browser -->
      <translation from="Winamp Search" to="Winamp Search" />
      <translation from="Plug-ins" to="Plug-ins" />

      <!-- Multi-tools -->
      <!-- Multi-tools :: Tooltips -->
      <translation from="Skins folder | Right-click to customize button" to="" />
      <translation from="Milkdrop2 Presets folder | Right-click to customize button" to="" />
      <translation from="AVS Presets folder | Right-click to customize button" to="" />
      <translation from="Search Youtube Song Video | Right-click to customize button" to="" />
      <translation from="Open File(s) | Right-click to customize button" to="" />
      <translation from="Toggle Always on top | Right-click to customize button" to="" />
      <translation from="Lyrics Search | Right-click to customize button" to="" />
      <translation from="Search Album Cover | Right-click to customize button" to="" />
      <translation from="Winamp folder | Right-click to customize button" to="" />
      <!-- Multi-tools: Context Menu -->
      <translation from="Custom Button A" to="" />
      <translation from="CURRENT MODE: Open 'SKINS'" to="" />
      <translation from="Custom Button B" to="" />
      <translation from="CURRENT MODE: Open 'MILKDROP'" to="" />
      <translation from="Custom Button C" to="" />
      <translation from="CURRENT MODE: Open 'AVS'" to="" />
      <translation from="Custom Button D" to="" />
      <translation from="CURRENT MODE: Open button" to="" />
      <translation from="Custom Button E" to="" />
      <translation from="CURRENT MODE: Toggle Always on top" to="" />
      <translation from="Custom Button F" to="" />
      <translation from="CURRENT MODE: Search Lyrics for current song" to="" />
      <translation from="Custom Button G" to="" />
      <translation from="CURRENT MODE: Youtube Search" to="" />
      <translation from="Custom Button H" to="" />
      <translation from="CURRENT MODE: Search Album Cover" to="" />
      <translation from="Custom Button I" to="" />
      <translation from="CURRENT MODE: Open %PATH_TO_WINAMP%" to="" /> <!-- Not working!!! -->
      
      <!-- Multi-tools: Context Menu: Internet Search -->
      http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510242795/2.png
      <translation from="More Artist Info" to="" /> <!-- Not working!!! -->
      <translation from="Search Lyrics for Current Song" to="" /> <!-- Not working!!! -->
      <translation from="Youtube Song video" to="" /> <!-- Not working!!! -->
      <translation from="Search Album Cover" to="" /> <!-- Not working!!! -->
      
      <!-- Multi-tools: Context Menu: Playlists -->
      http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510242829/3.png
      <translation from="no playlist found" to="" />
      
      <!-- Visualisation -->
      <translation from="Custom Button vis.prog.button" to="" />
      
      
      <!-- Big Bento Modern :: Playlist Info Panel -->
      http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510242856/oio.png
      or
      http://www.meggamusic.co.uk/shup/1510242903/wtf.png
      <translation from="Track " to="" />
      <translation from="1 track" to="" />
      <translation from=" tracks" to="" /> <!-- Not working!!! -->
      <translation from="tracks" to="" /> <!-- Not working!!! -->

-Pawel
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 09, 2017, 05:25:36 PM
While I was checking skin translation I found few untranslated strings. I am sure some of them are not translated yet because this options are still subject to change/improve...
I will wait till you have final version of the skin and then check my translation again to be sure it is OK.

Great job! This really helped me now. Different things happen with these strings, most of what you mention are actually translated, but from the exact string used on the script, although I knew some were not working (i.e. "CURRENT MODE:"). I was about to do the hard work of modding the scripts to declare each string as "translatable", but based on what you proposed I can see now that using the exact RESULTING string is working fine ("CURRENT MODE: Open MILKDROP"). Now I'm adding each one, which are definitive actually, to the wasabi.xml.

The ones I really missed are the submenus from Internet search and one or two more I'm spotting now, thanks!

If you want, wait a bit for the final version, I'll be adding some more text (not much really), enlarging areas where more space may be needed and also designing some form of "Select language" simple dialog / window (with flags!) where I plan to include also your translation if it's ok with you!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 14, 2017, 12:02:28 AM
Update on translation status: managed to reach all dinamic texts on Custom buttons. A lot trickier than expected.. had to sacrifice the "CURRENT MODE" string, in exchange there is a lot less to translate and one string can replace various dinamic texts (and all is in general quite more clean).
Also improved 300% the "Type path/url" dialog; Fixed the title not being translated and also several others not being reached by the translation (not sure why, but it's probably related to the fact that some were params inside a Wasabi button).
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Benco on November 18, 2017, 12:14:11 PM
Hi Victhor,

I don't have this bug, so won't be able to help.
I have a suggestion about the volume button. It looks cool, but in Bento, one can change the volume in just one click, since there's a direct access to the volume bar. Maybe you could consider finding a way to offer a similar option...

thanks anyway, this skin is great, I love the look!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 18, 2017, 11:52:34 PM
..in Bento, one can change the volume in just one click, since there's a direct access to the volume bar. Maybe you could consider finding a way to offer a similar option...

While doing the skin I thought recurrently about this. In my experience, seems like most people use dedicated buttons on the keyboard to turn volume up/down or even the scrollwheel, like I do. So, taking off space (at least 360px) from an area I wanted to specifically clear off was not worth.
That said, I can take a look and see if a toggable option (pop-up vs traditional volume) can be done easily.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Fabrice Baro on November 22, 2017, 07:40:00 PM
Big thanks to Victhor for the skin. It's a welcome fresh take on (no so big anymore) Big Bento which I was still using.

Funny fact: I placed the zip file in the skins folder, selected it in Winamp, and the old Winamp Classic skin appeared. I thought the whole skin was an elaborate joke ;)
I think I remember that one could used zipped skins... I also tried renaming to wsz and wal... same result.

Anyways, extracting the files solved the problem.

About me: continuously used Winamp since 1998. Made 2 (classic) skins around that time. Both were lost when winamp.com revamped the skins section. Anyone remembers this?

One request/suggestion: in the file info, add a line so that the year is displayed permanently.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 23, 2017, 02:31:16 AM
Funny fact: I placed the zip file in the skins folder, selected it in Winamp, and the old Winamp Classic skin appeared. I thought the whole skin was an elaborate joke ;)
I think I remember that one could used zipped skins... I also tried renaming to wsz and wal... same result.
Anyways, extracting the files solved the problem.

Yeah, there is a note at the end of my (long) thread stating the skin needs to be used as a simple folder heh. :P

One request/suggestion: in the file info, add a line so that the year is displayed permanently.

You can disable Cycle file info and click the last line until it display the year. It'll stay there. You can even make more space by hiding Rating stars!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Aminifu on November 23, 2017, 05:05:27 AM
You can disable Cycle file info and click the last line until it display the year. It'll stay there. You can even make more space by hiding Rating stars!

That way of controlling what is displayed on the 5th line of the file info panel does not work for me. I have to wait until the 5th line cycles to the data I want displayed and then disable cycling.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on November 23, 2017, 12:38:35 PM
I think I remember that one could used zipped skins... I also tried renaming to wsz and wal... same result.
It does but winamp doesn't like it if the contents in the zip (or a wsz or wal - which are just re-named zip files) are initially within a folder. As the modern skin engine doesn't try to dig down a level to then look for the skin.xml file that it needs to find to know how to load the skin. Either way, it's a simple thing that victhor can resolve the next there's a skin update ;)

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 23, 2017, 02:25:24 PM
That way of controlling what is displayed on the 5th line of the file info panel does not work for me. I have to wait until the 5th line cycles to the data I want displayed and then disable cycling.

Weird, it should at least do ONE cycle and then stop. Is not the expected behaviour but I can do it currently. I expect to fix it completely for the next build.

Either way, it's a simple thing that victhor can resolve the next there's a skin update ;)

No sir, that's an amateur mistake, I'm beyond that (most of the time hah). The skin NEEDS to be used on a folder because of the sendmessage.exe. The skin works zipped but buttons on the Playlist Info View don't.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on November 23, 2017, 02:50:31 PM
Either way, it's a simple thing that victhor can resolve the next there's a skin update ;)

No sir, that's an amateur mistake, I'm beyond that (most of the time hah). The skin NEEDS to be used on a folder because of the sendmessage.exe. The skin works zipped but buttons on the Playlist Info View don't.

Tbh I thought that was still broken due to the shortcut issues & it not making using of the install folder to know where things need to be found. Not using sendmessage.exe would be simpler (& safer) but I guess that's got to be kept around for older installs where it's not possible to leverage the native command-line support in 5.66x.

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on November 23, 2017, 03:10:28 PM
By the way, I tried to invoque invoke Winamp.exe and some command lines from a button script but can't make it work, seems like Winamp has some security mechanism active to prevent and .exe running from within the skin system. Being Winamp itself what I'm trying to run it must probably be me not hitting the spot..
I'll try to use a shortcut aiming to winamp.exe and see if that gets me somewhere...

Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on November 23, 2017, 03:17:07 PM
That's a bit odd as being able to run sendmessage.exe (directly or via a shortcut) is probably more in-secure than trying to invoke winamp itself. Might be best to follow up on this outside of this thread (not sure those just wanting to get the skin would be too interested in the techy stuff :) ).

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Aminifu on November 23, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
That way of controlling what is displayed on the 5th line of the file info panel does not work for me. I have to wait until the 5th line cycles to the data I want displayed and then disable cycling.

Weird, it should at least do ONE cycle and then stop. Is not the expected behaviour but I can do it currently. I expect to fix it completely for the next build.


My solution doesn't work either. After a while the data changes back to what was shown when just disabling cycling and the desired data doesn't persist when changing skins. The top 3 items are fixed. If more than 2 additional items are selected then eventually only the top 2 additional items selected are shown when disabling cycling. Hopefully your fix for the next version will provide for better control over which 5 items are displayed in a non-cycling info panel.

I don't really have a problem with the current implementation. I just want to see 3 additional items, so I don't mind the 5th line cycling between 2 of them.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Aminifu on November 24, 2017, 04:59:45 PM
Hi Victhor,

Would it be possible to use scrolling in all the places (except the playlist editor) where the %title%, %artist%, and %album% tag strings are too long to fit within the available space? I have some songs with long titles or album names and some with multiple artists performing in the song.

This would be better than using ellipses (...), imo.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: PapaBravo on November 28, 2017, 08:11:53 PM
Victhor,

WA user since 95 or possibly earlier, it's foggy earlier than that ;)

I'm loving your skin, it's been my default for the past couple of months. 

One thing I don't quite understand is the spectrum analyzer.  Is it mirror imaged (left/right) with low (bass) frequencies in the center?  It's hard to interpret what it's displaying, even though the visual is pretty cool.  How hard would it be to include a standard spectrum analyzer view (Low frequencies left to high frequencies right)?  Stereo view is nice, but even a mono view showing frequency analysis would be my preference.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on December 31, 2017, 04:23:55 PM
Sorry for the long time silent, I've been working on the skin a lot though, so I don't want to let the year end without giving you all forumers & Winampers a big thanks and a very happy new year! I'll probably use the first month of 2018 to finally release this beast, there is almost nothing left to do (except the fun part of color themes and extra goodies) so here's sort of a sneak peek of what you'll find on the next version (yeah, it's a changelog, such a terribly geeky gift it is hah). See you!

0.94 (part of what will be the final version actually):
New = (File info) Cool bg pic for streamings.
New = (File info) Animations on covers.
New = (File info) Added option to hide background.
New = (File info) Added option to scroll text if it doesn't fit.
New = Added Undo message/button after hiding Album art on File info.
New = Old browser replaced with Web Reader.
New = Added option to open links on default browser or in the new and handy Web Reader (internal browser).
New = Added Hover image to Frame divider (on main display) so it's easier to differentiate when (and what) is going to be selected.
Fixed = Notification no longer ignores "Relative to viewport" option on vertical taskbar (thanks Zackbuffo).
Fixed = Snap to edges when the SUI is hidden no longer leaves an "empty" enlarged player.
Fixed = Track info is no longer visible on "Branding view" (big Winamp logo).
Fixed = All internet searches will play well with "&" character.
Fixed = Fullscreen state is saved between sessions (+ a lot of AeroSnap behaviours).
Fixed = (Notifications) Multi-monitor support.
Fixed = (File info) Click to cycle file info.
Fixed = Restored "Link shade and player width" option.
Fixed = Restored "On Titlebar Doubleclick" options.
Fixed = Playlist search bar doesn't deactivate instantly if PL is not visible.
Fixed = Re-enabled "Skin settings" menu entry
Fixed = Re-enabled "EQ" menu entry
Improved = File info tags has new items: BPM (new) and Publisher (re-added).
Improved = "Album art not found" pics way sharper now across the whole skin (including radio pics).
Improved = Implemented Aero snap fixes by PJN123 (now is possible to move player to another screen with AeroSnap enabled).
Improved = (Custom buttons) One more option (Winamp install folder) + a lot of translation work.
Improved = (Custom buttons) Translation and general legibility improvements for "Open Folder/URL" dialog.
Improved = (File Info) Hide Cover button now shows on entering the Album cover area.
Improved = Small tweaks to achieve a 100% translatable skin without tweaking images.
Improved = (Notifier) Long strings scroll if not enough space.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on December 31, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Excellent! Work!
I can't wait to use the final version. Thank you for your work. It is greatly appreciated.

PS. I love changelogs
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on January 01, 2018, 11:15:07 PM
PS. I love changelogs
Me too :)

The next update of the skin sounds like it'll be a good one, yay!

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on May 08, 2018, 02:33:31 PM
Update for those not following Winamp forums: I've been quite slow on the last bits of development (which turned out to be a lot of small work actually). I've done the light version (which are actual separate graphics and colors, not just a theme..), and a windows 10 (dark). Dark and light themes are specific to each skin version (around 50 themes each), now I'm just about to finish win10 light version and I'm done.

Another thing that slowed me down a lot was that I've spent a lot of time trying to decrease the loading time, currently too high for a skin, but I couldn't do much because there are lots of animations and it's a skin full of features, so it won't be a fast loading skin sadly, specially on Win 10 (don't know why), but once it loads it works like a charm =).
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on May 08, 2018, 02:40:45 PM
Hey Victhor!!
You've been quiet but it's good to see you're still working behind the scenes!
Can't wait to use this beast!
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on May 08, 2018, 02:44:47 PM
Also one request before release.
One of the "modern winamp" color theme is strange.
I'm sorry I'm in my phone and cannot make a screen shot, but if you compare looking at the media library for example, the text is the same color as the background. It doesn't stand out like the original modern shin. I'm not sure if this can be fixed or not.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on May 08, 2018, 02:49:45 PM
Also one request before release.
One of the "modern winamp" color theme is strange.
I'm sorry I'm in my phone and cannot make a screen shot, but if you compare looking at the media library for example, the text is the same color as the background. It doesn't stand out like the original modern shin. I'm not sure if this can be fixed or not.

Precisely that's why I've re-done most themes and had to fine-tune the gammagroups so it will work better with the themes found on the winamp forum thread. So, be cool because that's already been taken care of ;)
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: dro on May 08, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
^^ that's the sort of thing we get from those who care :)

the skin loading thing is a challenge and even if you can delay certain things with timers, the modern skin format sadly will load everything as is it's way.

looking forward to what the updates will be like when we're able to get our grubby little mitts on them :)

-dro
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: Juanus on May 08, 2018, 03:06:19 PM
Hooray!!!
Very exciting. Count me as another person who can't wait to try it out. Especially after re reading that last change log you posted.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on May 08, 2018, 07:16:50 PM
^^ that's the sort of thing we get from those who care :)

Please, you make me blush XD

the skin loading thing is a challenge and even if you can delay certain things with timers, the modern skin format sadly will load everything as is it's way.

Exactly, I tried a lot of things (from my simple approach of delaying or not loading at all..) but didn't make much difference. The only noticeable difference was when disabling more than 6 or 7 scripts AND some components (like visualization window), so it was a no go.
Title: Re: Big Bento Modern Beta
Post by: victhor on May 16, 2018, 10:13:50 PM
Released!!! >> https://getwacup.com/community/index.php/topic,327.0.html

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